Late opening to Reds Meadow, June 29.

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Late opening to Reds Meadow, June 29.

Postby Sierra Lady » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:05 am

Another thread about the tremendous wind storm in late November 2011 is in the Weather, Snow & Road Conditions forum Got Wind?, but I thought it could be useful to cross-post it here in the Summer Activities forum since this is where folks will be searching for this information come summer.

X-post of mine from that thread on 2/16/12:

Info for Reds Meadow/Devils Postpile/Rainbow Falls summer lovers.

2/15/12 Update in The Sheet:

Reds Meadow fallen tree update

When we drove up Tioga Pass into YNP the last day the pass was open this winter (1/17) we saw these two downed trees in Tuolumne Meadows and another stand of downed trees just inside the park boundary, all from the wind storm late last November. SG said these are 100-200 year old trees. The damage there was devastating, too!

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From Sierra Wave News online 2/17/12:

Wind-fallen tree project in Reds Meadow
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby windyscotty » Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:31 pm

Blow downs mean easy money firewood for some lucky dudes.

That happened one year out at Crestview in the legal woodcutting area and we went berserk all summer cutting Lodgepole. Best woodcutting I ever experienced and all green trees. It was like cutting butter.

Funny that you should mention Reds Meadow, because I have an article in this March/April issue of Sierra Heritage magazine about Reds Meadow that they asked me to write. They did a great job on the piece and that is a superb mag.

The bonus is that this is the first All History Collectors edition. I can't tell you how awesome it is to be a part of their scene and in this particular issue.

For those who have never seen Sierra Heritage Magazine, it is the finest example of its type in existence. If you love the Sierra, this mag is the ultimate. Even the real estate ads are fantastic.
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby Cruzer » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:14 am

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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby Grumpy » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:57 pm

Mine too. It is a mess sown there. There are spots that look like Mt. St. Helens. There are huge swaths of old growth Jeffrey Pines that are all down. It is going to be a major operation to get all the trees out of there. I almost went into full seizure seeing all the Lodgepole down as well.
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby windyscotty » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:23 pm

Since the magazine story is now out, I will post the Reds Meadow story. Some is a rehash of the Devil's Postpile story I did last year.


Reds Meadow

One summer in 1975, my boss, Herb Carls, from the U.S. Forest Service office in Mammoth Lakes, California, told us the story of his involvement with the resort at Reds Meadow in the 1950s. Reds Meadow is a popular recreation destination in the Eastern Sierra, located over the ridge called Minaret Vista in a beautiful valley. Just getting there is half the fun, and the view of the Minarets from the Vista is astounding.

Herb and Bob Tanner, the current owner and long time permittee of Reds Meadow, joined into a partnership after they returned from WWII to run a pack station and small resort. One of the activities was a stagecoach ride that had an unfortunate accident, where a lady was injured. A lawsuit and further financial troubles ended the partnership, and Herb went to work for the forest service on the Mammoth Ranger District taking care of the wilderness.

Bob expanded his resort and packing business and turned it into one of the most desired places to hang out in summer. He also made himself a wealthy man in the process, and now his son, Bobby, runs the business. Bobby is famous for driving the 20 mule team borax wagons in the Mule Days parade in Bishop. He once drove 100 mules all tied together at one time around the arena at the fairgrounds.

Even though there may have been some ill feelings over the split up between the two mule packers, Herb always went out of his way to keep Bob’s trails in perfect condition. They still are to this day.

We had a government pasture at Reds Meadow near the resort right off the road where the mules and horses were kept for trail and wilderness work. This was where Red Sotcher grew vegetables in the summer.

By the 1870s red bearded, Red Sotcher, was settled in the area. He sold his produce to hungry miners who were coming into the area from Fresno via the French Trail. Most of these men were searching for the Lost Cement Mine, made famous by Mark Twain in his book, “Roughing It.” This mine was described as being in the Eastern Sierra near the headwaters of the Owens River, “…a country of black lava and white pumice, and somewhere a ledge of reddish cement spangled with the flakes of the purest gold.”

Old Red went on to prosper in his endeavor better than the miners, and the resort and nearby lake were named in his honor.

Reds Meadow is a beautiful place indeed, especially on a calm summer’s morning. The meadows are a lush green color and filled with wildflowers contrasted against a glaring white background of pumice sand.

The Middle Fork of the San Joaquin River runs down through the valley from its source at Thousand Island Lake. Along the way many tributaries feed into it from Shadow and Minaret Lakes. Nice campgrounds are located at key spots along the river at Agnew Meadows, Soda Springs, Minaret, Pumice Flat and Reds Meadow.

In the middle of this entire splendor is the Devils Postpile, which Reds Meadow is really famous for. This geologic wonder has some of the finest examples of columnar basalt formations in the world. Threatened by being blasted for a proposed hydro electric dam, the Postpile was saved and made a National Monument in 1911 by President Taft.

Rainbow Falls is another scenic wonder. At 101 feet high and casting a brilliant rainbow in the mist, these falls are two miles from the Postpile or an easy mile walk from the trailhead near the Mule House Café, store and pack station.

There is excellent swimming and fishing at Lower Falls, about a mile down the trail from Rainbow Falls. A nice trail runs up the length of the valley for twelve miles along the river to Thousand Island Lake with several bridge crossings along the way.

Carved out by a glacier, Sotcher Lake gets runoff and is spring fed. The Rainbow Fire, avalanches, and severe erosion ripped out trees from the hillside and deposited them into the lake, creating excellent big brown trout habitat.

Sotcher and tiny Starkweather Lake are in Madera County and can be fished at all hours of the day and night, unlike its neighbor Mono County, where fishing is limited to day light hours only. A 1987 trophy brown trout taken out of Sotcher Lake weighed 13 pounds 11 ounces.

Expert anglers recommend light green floating processed bait, lures, and when the fish are jumping, a fly and bubble setup with two pound leader and an olive Matuka streamer pattern.

In 1972 a Trans-Sierra, four lane highway was proposed to connect Oakhurst on the west side of the mountains to Mammoth through Reds Meadow following the old French Trail.

Governor Ronald Reagan arrived on the scene with an entourage of 100 politicians and made a historic horseback ride to Summit Meadow. A photo of this event hangs on the wall in the Mule House Café.

Behind the scenes on this Governor’s pack trip was none other than Bob Tanner, acting as their personal guide. Bob did not have to say a word, and just let the Governor see it all for himself. After the trip was over Mr. Reagan said, “We simply don’t need another highway,” and that was the end of it.

How to get there:

Reds Meadow is located approximately 16 miles from the junction of Hwy 203 and Hwy 395. At the Main Lodge of Mammoth Mountain Ski Area, one must board a shuttle bus to get down into the valley. Before the bus starts in the morning at 7:30, and after it shuts down at 5 pm, it is okay to drive down. You can get on and off the bus anywhere in the valley, and the Mule House Café and store are at the end of the line near the Rainbow Falls trailhead.

If you are camping, make reservations to stay in the forest service campgrounds or say at the entrance station that you are hoping to get one of the 21 first come, first served campsites in the Postpile. Vehicles with float tubes, canoes, or other flotation devices are allowed to drive down into Reds, because there is no room for that on the bus. Agnew Group camp is outstanding and there are a few equestrian camps in Agnew as well.

At 7500 feet in elevation Reds Meadow can be hot during the day and chilly at night into the low 40s in summer with thunderstorms.

Next time you happen to be driving down Hwy 395 be sure to stop in Mammoth and check out Reds Meadow. You’ll be glad you did!
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby easternsierra86 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:04 pm

Windyscotty,

I've read many of your stories on the forums and would just like to thank you for posting these. I actually have printed a few of them out because I find them so fascinating. Please keep on posting these stories, because I'm sure there are a lot of other people like me who have lurked on these forums, that really appreciate having more knowledge of the history of the Eastern Sierra's. And thank you Sierra Lady as well for posting the pictures, I did not know that the storm had caused that much damage!
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby windyscotty » Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:48 pm

Thankyou es86 for your kind words and interest in the history of our magnifcent mountains and deserts. Every single day I walk out the door, I am astounded by the history of this place.

Why just today I was out in Round Valley off Boundary Road down by where Sherwin used to live and saw about ten bed rock motars that I have never seen before after wandering around there for 35 years.

It is too much to see the remnants of all the pioneer ranches that DWP bought and removed across the entire valley-700 hundred of them.

In the 1920s if you were on top of the peaks looking down into the Owens Valley in spring, you would have seen never ending fields of green and a maze of irrigation ditches with trees growing along their length.

We have a rare opportunity here to really study pioneer and Indian history.

So get right in the groove. Ch 19 is into it and has his history post.

You are welcome to check out my blog for more stories you might be interested in at windyscotty.wordpress.com or just Windyscotty's Blog.

Happy exploring, researching and enjoying our great Western heritage.
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby SkierBob » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:47 am

Grumpy wrote:Mine too. It is a mess sown there. There are spots that look like Mt. St. Helens. There are huge swaths of old growth Jeffrey Pines that are all down. It is going to be a major operation to get all the trees out of there. I almost went into full seizure seeing all the Lodgepole down as well.


I had to take a double take and stop when I saw the swaths of old growth down. It really does look like Mt. St. Helens in spots. Really wish I would have taken some photos. It would take a big saw to buck those up.
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby easternsierra86 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:10 pm

windyscotty wrote:Thankyou es86 for your kind words and interest in the history of our magnifcent mountains and deserts. Every single day I walk out the door, I am astounded by the history of this place.

Why just today I was out in Round Valley off Boundary Road down by where Sherwin used to live and saw about ten bed rock motars that I have never seen before after wandering around there for 35 years.

It is too much to see the remnants of all the pioneer ranches that DWP bought and removed across the entire valley-700 hundred of them.

In the 1920s if you were on top of the peaks looking down into the Owens Valley in spring, you would have seen never ending fields of green and a maze of irrigation ditches with trees growing along their length.

We have a rare opportunity here to really study pioneer and Indian history.

So get right in the groove. Ch 19 is into it and has his history post.

You are welcome to check out my blog for more stories you might be interested in at windyscotty.wordpress.com or just Windyscotty's Blog.

Happy exploring, researching and enjoying our great Western heritage.


Thank you for the link to your blog WS. I have just started looking at it and am already excited. I just love history and especially the history of the Eastern Sierra's, so the content in your blog is right up my alley. The pictures are amazing!
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby windyscotty » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:53 pm

Thankyou and I hope you get jacked up enough to actually want to go to some of those places.

The Eastern Sierra has left a big impression on me.

I need to keep reminding myself each and every day how fortunate I am to live here and to be able to explore the mountains and deserts.

It is a wonderful life.

You come and experience it, too.
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby easternsierra86 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:17 pm

windyscotty wrote:Thankyou and I hope you get jacked up enough to actually want to go to some of those places.

The Eastern Sierra has left a big impression on me.

I need to keep reminding myself each and every day how fortunate I am to live here and to be able to explore the mountains and deserts.

It is a wonderful life.

You come and experience it, too.


The Eastern Sierra has left quite the impression on me over my time there as well. Unfortunately I do not live there anymore, but have plans to move back in the near future. I do still have a place in Mammoth and am up there very frequently still, so I explore every chance I get! Your pictures and stories have given me new ideas and places to explore, and I'm really excited about it. Can't wait for this Summer!
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby oldskier » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:51 am

WS - a little correction to your story above -

"Herb and Bob Tanner, the current owner and long time permittee of Reds Meadow, joined into a partnership after they returned from WWII to run a pack station and small resort".

Archie Mann started Reds Meadows pack outfit and they bought it from him in the late 50's or early 60's. I believe that Archie was also instrumental in getting Ronald Reagan to come on the trip to stop the Trans Sierra Highway although certainly Bob Tanner was as well since he was the host. There was an E Clampus Vitus connection too. Best of all - it worked!! Caltrans was determined to build it prior to that event.

For many years, Archie continued to live in a small cabin that was across Minaret Road from where the Mammoth Village is now. The Reds Meadow Pack Station brand relects an arch over an M for Archie Mann. and Archie had some secret lakes but they are a pain to get to.
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby windyscotty » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:29 am

Thanks oldskier. You are such an awesome Mammoth historian. I remember now about Archie Mann but cannot remember if I ever met him.

I do know that Herb Carls worked for Leo Porterfield. Not sure if Archie did, too.

I also know that Tanner worked for Russ and Ann Johnson, and he was like their adopted son. I was at a dinner one time at their house and Bob stopped by. They taught him how to pack mules and broke him into the business. It was amazing to see how much respect Bob had for those fine people.

Larry Wade was another old forest service guy that everyone loved. He and Herb were best friends.

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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby Sierra Lady » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:13 am

X-post from the new "Camping 2012" thread:

Current information on camp grounds in and around the Eastern Sierra:

Time to get campy

Partial info that includes Reds:

Reds Meadow Campgrounds – The Nov. 30, 2011 windstorm caused widespread damage in the Reds Meadow Valley. All campgrounds in the Valley received damage from fallen trees that will require repairs and infrastructure replacement and, as a result, there will be delays in campground openings for the summer of 2012. The Forest Service was able to begin damage assessments and clearing trees in January, but had to stop work upon the arrival of winter weather in late January. The Forest Service plans to resume work as soon as conditions allow and will open the Valley to vehicle access and reopen campgrounds as soon as is feasible and safe. Opening dates of campgrounds will be dependent upon weather and the conditions and circumstances that are encountered during cleanup efforts. Reds Meadow and Devils Postpile Campgrounds will be the first to open and will be first-come/first-served as normally operated. Reservations are not being accepted for the group campgrounds in Reds Meadow Valley until opening dates can be established. Please visit the Inyo National Forest website for updated information and scheduled opening dates.
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Re: Potential late opening to Reds Meadow, 2012.

Postby Sierra Lady » Sun May 06, 2012 10:48 am

Update:

Forest Service describes economic impact of Red's treefall

“We know we have damage to literally every campground down there. We’ve seen buildings crushed, utility lines pulled up out of the ground with the roots of the trees that were tipped over, and picnic tables and bear boxes in the campgrounds have been crushed. But our goal remains to open as many campgrounds and trails to the public as early as possible.”
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