events and park rankings?

[mammothguy]

I was watching the winter dew tour and i wonder why arent events like this at mammoth? i know they cost money but the exposure gained from them surely offsets the costs. if somewhere like mt. snow or northstar can host events like this, why can't mammoth?

and whats up with the park rankings? mammoth used to always be #1 but now that seems hardly the case.

it bums me out to see all these other resorts stepping up big time, and that used to be mammoth....have they got complacent or what?

[psg]

We have the Vans Cup this year. That is about on par with a Winter Dew Tour, usually drawing a vast field of pros, sans the extensive television coverage.

[snowboard247]

and whats up with the park rankings? mammoth used to always be #1 but now that seems hardly the case.

it bums me out to see all these other resorts stepping up big time, and that used to be mammoth....have they got complacent or what?

Its because mammoth used to be one of the only big players in park. Now lots and lots of other mountains are getting on the park bandwagon. When you are competeing with 20 resorts for best park, compared to 100+ resorts for best park, it makes it a bit harder.

The parks this year have been first class as usual in mammoth, and their dedication to getting their pipes built in a quick fashion has always been one of their strong suites. The canyon pipe is so fun!

[mammothguy]

We have the Vans Cup this year. That is about on par with a Winter Dew Tour, usually drawing a vast field of pros, sans the extensive television coverage.

It would be nice to get the exposure on tv though. without that no event will compare. the cost benefit ratio doesnt really pan out when you have the sort of expenditures to have an event "That is about on par with a Winter Dew Tour" without that level of media exposure, it is kind of a waste, is it not? and the vans cup is a snowboard only event. I have no problem with that but it seems that the majority of the events are targeted for snowboarders. that is what i like about the dew tour is that is has skiing and boarding.
I guess Oren thinks that there is more benefit to focus on snowboard events than skiing or mixed skiing/boarding events. (USASA not included)

[mammothguy]

and whats up with the park rankings? mammoth used to always be #1 but now that seems hardly the case.

it bums me out to see all these other resorts stepping up big time, and that used to be mammoth....have they got complacent or what?

Its because mammoth used to be one of the only big players in park. Now lots and lots of other mountains are getting on the park bandwagon. When you are competeing with 20 resorts for best park, compared to 100+ resorts for best park, it makes it a bit harder.

The parks this year have been first class as usual in mammoth, and their dedication to getting their pipes built in a quick fashion has always been one of their strong suites. The canyon pipe is so fun!

Mammoth was at the forefront of the parks for so long, there is no reason why they cant elevate their game and get back to where they should be. They fully have the capabilities to out do that anyone else is doing. we have the equipment, the land, the snow making capabilities....we have all the pieces there, they just need to be put to use to bring mammoth back to the top of the pile.

c'mon you are joking about them getting the "pipes built in a quick fashion" this year. i totally agree with you in years past they did get them done in a very timely fashion. this year has been a joke though. i mean the super pipe just recently opened, and the super duper pipe still isnt done. and with as warm as the weather has been and is going to continue to be god only knows when that will be done. the super pipe looks and rides great....but it took ages to get done. hopefully next season they will have a better plan for having at least one pipe open earlier than this year.....
i know quite a few people who were going to come to mammoth for early season riding but bailed when they found out we didnt have a pipe done. some even asked me how come because normally it is open quite early in the season......

[danimal]

and whats up with the park rankings? mammoth used to always be #1 but now that seems hardly the case.

it bums me out to see all these other resorts stepping up big time, and that used to be mammoth....have they got complacent or what?

Its because mammoth used to be one of the only big players in park. Now lots and lots of other mountains are getting on the park bandwagon. When you are competeing with 20 resorts for best park, compared to 100+ resorts for best park, it makes it a bit harder.

The parks this year have been first class as usual in mammoth, and their dedication to getting their pipes built in a quick fashion has always been one of their strong suites. The canyon pipe is so fun!

Mammoth was at the forefront of the parks for so long, there is no reason why they cant elevate their game and get back to where they should be. They fully have the capabilities to out do that anyone else is doing. we have the equipment, the land, the snow making capabilities....we have all the pieces there, they just need to be put to use to bring mammoth back to the top of the pile.

c'mon you are joking about them getting the "pipes built in a quick fashion" this year. i totally agree with you in years past they did get them done in a very timely fashion. this year has been a joke though. i mean the super pipe just recently opened, and the super duper pipe still isnt done. and with as warm as the weather has been and is going to continue to be god only knows when that will be done. the super pipe looks and rides great....but it took ages to get done. hopefully next season they will have a better plan for having at least one pipe open earlier than this year.....
i know quite a few people who were going to come to mammoth for early season riding but bailed when they found out we didnt have a pipe done. some even asked me how come because normally it is open quite early in the season......

"i mean the super pipe just recently opened"
-the Superpipe opened on Dec 21, 2008 (2 days earlier than last season), a full 3 and a half weeks before you posted. I think it was the third in the country to open, behind breck and copper.

08/09 Rankings:
Transworld Snowboarding – November 2008 - #2 Overall Mountain
“There are few resorts in North America that offer the vastness of terrain that can be found here. For years Mammoth has been a haven for pro riders and the apparent epicenter for park-design progression; but there is a lot more mountain outside the parks. From a summit elevation at over 11,000 feet, the mountain drops steeply down alpine powder faces to an expansive undulating maze of world-class groomers.”

Freeskier Magazine - #3 Overall Resort

Ski Magazine – October 2008
#12 in the Top 50 Resort Guide.
#2 Terrain/Variety
#2 Lifts
#1 for terrain parks
“[Readers] like its surf-inspired California style, as can be found throughout its beginner-to-pro Unbound terrain park system, ranked #1 on the continent.” -- Ski Magazine

Onboard Snowboard Mag (UK) - #1 for terrain parks


The rankings are starting to come back. This year, I think the parks are much better than last year so hopefully that will push a surge upwards in rankings among all industry pubs. Snowboarder mag put Mammoth on the cover twice this season and did you see the superpark issue?

[snowmaniac153]

The park this year is off the chain.. The super pipe being out of ground seems to be a good call... might have taken more snow but it hits so nice and so fun... also mammoth this year has been really changing up the jib and such... if they keep up all the hard work.. we are going to get our park Cred back.

Keep up the work snow park people

[mammothguy]

The park this year is off the chain.. The super pipe being out of ground seems to be a good call... might have taken more snow but it hits so nice and so fun... also mammoth this year has been really changing up the jib and such... if they keep up all the hard work.. we are going to get our park Cred back.

Keep up the work snow park people

has anyone noticed how many pros dont ride here anymore? there used to be tons, now there arent so many. and "the pipe isnt that good it all, in fact it sucks." and that was from a pro snowboarder, a highly regard pro who did pretty well in the xgames.
when mt. snow vermont has a better pipe than we do there is something wrong....that shouldnt be happening. mammoth should have the best pipe and park anywhere. a lot of places have good parks, jibs, but the real necessity is a killer pipe. and we dont have it.
the pipe we have has a shitty drop in, it needs to be higher...look at how it was at the xgames. and it doesnt have the right slope either, it isnt steep enough....

[tealsnow10]

I am in the industry and have had many talks with pros and industry people alike about Mammoth Mountain. Almost everyone is not shocked that Mammoth did not make it into the top parks this year. The most common thing pros have said about Main Park is that it doesn't have a "flow," unlike parks like Breck and Keystone. I think that everyone has their own opinions but the reality of the situation is...THE PROS AREN'T IN MAMMOTH. Where are they? We'll I know that almost all pros spent most of December in Colorado at Keystone, Breck and Copper. Even though Mammoths was "open" around the same time, it didn't come CLOSE to Brecks and Coppers pipe. Park City is another resort that a lot of pros are training out of. The pipe in Park City is immaculate and perfect everyday, the park and pipe at Breckenridge are also PERFECT everyday and a lot of pros have been traveling there to train. Mammoth's has a huge advantage on Colorado resorts with the weather they have and the quick park chair. I can guarantee that if the pipe was at "Professional" standards and the Park had a triple line like breck and keystone, pros would come here to train in the softer conditions. I think that Mammoth should get CLEAR about what is really going. It seems as though they are looking the other way and not opening their eyes at how EMPTY the pipe is. Even when a lot of the local pros were home for christmas here in Mammoth, I didn't see any of the top riders riding that pipe and if they did, they were not doing the tricks they are capable of, probably because the pipe was not up to their standards. Is Mammoth asking the pros what they think? or are they just assuming? I'm almost positive if the Unbound crew asked the pros of mammoth and even outside pros what they think of their park and pipe they would have a HUGE reality check. If Mammoth is spending all this money to build the 22, they better figure out how to build it right b/c the past 3 years have sucked. Again, NO PROS rode that thing. If your going to do it, do it right. You might be able to SAY you have a 22, but with no riders in it...you have NOTHING. I think its CLEAR why Mammoth doesn't have Major Contests. I know a lot of them were iffy about coming to Mammoth for Vans Cup....especially pipe riders. But now with Vans Cup Cancelled, no pros will come. The most pros you will see in mammoth is in May when all their seasons are done to play on the slush because all the Colorado Resorts close in April. Mammoth used to be the mecca of snowboarding 6 years ago...what happened?

[tealsnow10]

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"when mt. snow vermont has a better pipe than we do there is something wrong...."

Well, we can't compare Mammoths pipe to Mt. Snows and other "contest" pipes because the best park builders "snowpark technologies" comes in to each contest stop and rebuild the park and pipe for that particular contest. It's the resorts that consistently have amazing parks and pipes throughout the entire season maintained by their own park crews. Such as, Breckenridge, Keystone, Park City, Whistler and even Copper. Coppers pipe is good and their park is getting better. They at least have a decent triple line which Mammoth does not have. The 30 foot jumps in south park are a joke. With contest jumps no smaller than 55 feet these days, Mammoth needs to step it up. Keep forest trail and find another run to put small jumps on and build something for pros and aspiring pros. They should build that up like it was 4 or 5 years ago when the Vans Triple Crown was there. The booter at the bottom of main park is OLD...Thats why mammoth is getting bummed in the rankings...everyone else is doing something different but so much of mammoth remains the same....boooring...

[mammothguy]

I am in the industry and have had many talks with pros and industry people alike about Mammoth Mountain. Almost everyone is not shocked that Mammoth did not make it into the top parks this year. The most common thing pros have said about Main Park is that it doesn't have a "flow," unlike parks like Breck and Keystone. I think that everyone has their own opinions but the reality of the situation is...THE PROS AREN'T IN MAMMOTH. Where are they? We'll I know that almost all pros spent most of December in Colorado at Keystone, Breck and Copper. Even though Mammoths was "open" around the same time, it didn't come CLOSE to Brecks and Coppers pipe. Park City is another resort that a lot of pros are training out of. The pipe in Park City is immaculate and perfect everyday, the park and pipe at Breckenridge are also PERFECT everyday and a lot of pros have been traveling there to train. Mammoth's has a huge advantage on Colorado resorts with the weather they have and the quick park chair. I can guarantee that if the pipe was at "Professional" standards and the Park had a triple line like breck and keystone, pros would come here to train in the softer conditions. I think that Mammoth should get CLEAR about what is really going. It seems as though they are looking the other way and not opening their eyes at how EMPTY the pipe is. Even when a lot of the local pros were home for christmas here in Mammoth, I didn't see any of the top riders riding that pipe and if they did, they were not doing the tricks they are capable of, probably because the pipe was not up to their standards. Is Mammoth asking the pros what they think? or are they just assuming? I'm almost positive if the Unbound crew asked the pros of mammoth and even outside pros what they think of their park and pipe they would have a HUGE reality check. If Mammoth is spending all this money to build the 22, they better figure out how to build it right b/c the past 3 years have sucked. Again, NO PROS rode that thing. If your going to do it, do it right. You might be able to SAY you have a 22, but with no riders in it...you have NOTHING. I think its CLEAR why Mammoth doesn't have Major Contests. I know a lot of them were iffy about coming to Mammoth for Vans Cup....especially pipe riders. But now with Vans Cup Cancelled, no pros will come. The most pros you will see in mammoth is in May when all their seasons are done to play on the slush because all the Colorado Resorts close in April. Mammoth used to be the mecca of snowboarding 6 years ago...what happened?

it is nice to see someone else who sees what is going on and how far people at mmsa have their heads stuck in the snow. hopefully soon they will be able to get their act together and bring the park and pipe a mammoth back to the prominence it once had in the pro community

[mammothguy]

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"when mt. snow vermont has a better pipe than we do there is something wrong...."

Well, we can't compare Mammoths pipe to Mt. Snows and other "contest" pipes because the best park builders "snowpark technologies" comes in to each contest stop and rebuild the park and pipe for that particular contest. It's the resorts that consistently have amazing parks and pipes throughout the entire season maintained by their own park crews. Such as, Breckenridge, Keystone, Park City, Whistler and even Copper. Coppers pipe is good and their park is getting better. They at least have a decent triple line which Mammoth does not have. The 30 foot jumps in south park are a joke. With contest jumps no smaller than 55 feet these days, Mammoth needs to step it up. Keep forest trail and find another run to put small jumps on and build something for pros and aspiring pros. They should build that up like it was 4 or 5 years ago when the Vans Triple Crown was there. The booter at the bottom of main park is OLD...Thats why mammoth is getting bummed in the rankings...everyone else is doing something different but so much of mammoth remains the same....boooring...

granted it is a comp pipe, but there is really no reason that mammoth cant have a pipe/pipes that approach that caliber on a daily basis

[6IX]

I am in the industry and have had many talks with pros and industry people alike about Mammoth Mountain. Almost everyone is not shocked that Mammoth did not make it into the top parks this year. The most common thing pros have said about Main Park is that it doesn't have a "flow," unlike parks like Breck and Keystone. I think that everyone has their own opinions but the reality of the situation is...THE PROS AREN'T IN MAMMOTH. Where are they? We'll I know that almost all pros spent most of December in Colorado at Keystone, Breck and Copper. Even though Mammoths was "open" around the same time, it didn't come CLOSE to Brecks and Coppers pipe. Park City is another resort that a lot of pros are training out of. The pipe in Park City is immaculate and perfect everyday, the park and pipe at Breckenridge are also PERFECT everyday and a lot of pros have been traveling there to train. Mammoth's has a huge advantage on Colorado resorts with the weather they have and the quick park chair. I can guarantee that if the pipe was at "Professional" standards and the Park had a triple line like breck and keystone, pros would come here to train in the softer conditions. I think that Mammoth should get CLEAR about what is really going. It seems as though they are looking the other way and not opening their eyes at how EMPTY the pipe is. Even when a lot of the local pros were home for christmas here in Mammoth, I didn't see any of the top riders riding that pipe and if they did, they were not doing the tricks they are capable of, probably because the pipe was not up to their standards. Is Mammoth asking the pros what they think? or are they just assuming? I'm almost positive if the Unbound crew asked the pros of mammoth and even outside pros what they think of their park and pipe they would have a HUGE reality check. If Mammoth is spending all this money to build the 22, they better figure out how to build it right b/c the past 3 years have sucked. Again, NO PROS rode that thing. If your going to do it, do it right. You might be able to SAY you have a 22, but with no riders in it...you have NOTHING. I think its CLEAR why Mammoth doesn't have Major Contests. I know a lot of them were iffy about coming to Mammoth for Vans Cup....especially pipe riders. But now with Vans Cup Cancelled, no pros will come. The most pros you will see in mammoth is in May when all their seasons are done to play on the slush because all the Colorado Resorts close in April. Mammoth used to be the mecca of snowboarding 6 years ago...what happened?

it is nice to see someone else who sees what is going on and how far people at mmsa have their heads stuck in the snow. hopefully soon they will be able to get their act together and bring the park and pipe a mammoth back to the prominence it once had in the pro community

Very well said.

Is someone ay Snowboarder getting stroked then, because I thought they just gave Mammoth the #2 spot for parks in the nation right behind Park City..??.. Copper, Keystone, Breck, even Bear Mtn. were all in the top 10, but Mammoth sat in 2nd.