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"This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby ShiftyRider » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:10 pm

Mammoth Business Improvement District, heh.
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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby 6IX » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:59 am

Thank You.

At a meeting of community leaders held at the Mammoth Lakes Tourism offices on Thursday afternoon, Mammoth Mountain Ski Area CEO Rusty Gregory laid out further details regarding the proposal to establish a Town-wide BID (Business Improvement District).

Gregory suggested the following BID parameters: that lodging pay 1% of gross revenues, that retail establishments contribute 1.5% sales tax, and that the Mountain contribute a 2% admissions fee (on lift ticket sales).

The three components of the proposed BID would be expected to raise some $6 million annually to be put towards an aggressive marketing effort.

The initial time horizon for the BID would be five years with a renewal clause.

Gregory’s support for his own proposal is based upon two conditions:

1.) “Council takes nothing off the table [in regard to its funding support of Mammoth Lakes Tourism] or we’re out.”

2.) If Mammoth’s Town Council imposes an admissions tax, the Mountain is out.

The difference between the admissions fee and an admissions tax is that the fee, being voluntary, would have a sunset.

The proposal certainly gave those attending the meeting something to chew on.

Before Gregory laid out his plan, Footloose Sports’ Tony Colasardo said any sales tax number under 9% would be “palatable.”

Kittredge Sports’ Tom Cage said that in his conversations with his own staff and others, going to 8.5% was not an issue.

With the state passage of Proposition 30 and the Town’s existing Measure R committment of a half-point, Mammoth’s current sales tax rate is 8%.

A sales tax hike of 1.5% proposed by Gregory would push Mammoth’s sales tax rate to 9.5%.

Gregory reminded those in the room that the Mountain would be paying the same tax and that it does more business.

He also believed that retail should pay more than lodging because lodging “already carries enough of a burden.”

Gregory confirmed that the Mountain’s participation is above and beyond what it currently spends in marketing dollars. “We think this is a new revenue source.”

The Sheet asked Gregory if the Mountain would continue to fund the winter air subsidy out of its own marketing dollars or would he expect the BID to take care of that responsibility.

Gregory said it should be up to the group to decide whether it’s a group or Mountain responsibility, but that “this is not a scam for us to come up with money for air service.”

The group should decide its commitments, said Gregory, whether it be to subsidize commercial air service or shelve it.

Gregory said MMSA paid a $3.3 million commercial air subsidy last ski season and typically budgets $1.5 million for the subsidy for winter flights.

When asked whether the Mountain’s commitment would still be valid in the event of a sale, Gregory said, “We wouldn’t be working so hard on this if we were for sale.” That said, MMSA’s commitment would stand for the next five years, regardless of ownership.

The timeframe for implementation of the BID, according to Mammoth Lakes Tourism (MLT) Executive Director John Urdi, is May 1, 2013 if all goes well.

The voting on approval of a BID is based upon just those entities that are affected. The voting can be conducted on a piece-by-piece basis (a separate lodging vote, a separate retail vote, etc.) or can be conducted as a whole.

The weight of one’s vote is proportional based upon revenue, but no single entity can exercise more than a 40% share.

A BID requires 51% approval for passage.

Urdi emphasized that MLT has been talking about a BID for two-and-a-half years and that “this doesn’t have anything to do with December 5 [when the Town finalizes its restructuring plans triggered by the airport litigation judgment].”

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In the wake of the Town’s $48.5 million settlement of its airport litigation, many local residents have questioned the amount of money the Town is spending on upper management, particularly in regard to retaining both a Town Manager and Assistant Town Manager who each cost the Town well in excess of $200,000 to employ.

But when it comes to annual compensation, Town Manager Dave Wilbrecht and his Assistant Triple M can’t hold a candle to Town Attorney Andrew Morris.

Public records obtained by The Sheet indicate that the Town paid $368,050 to Morris’s firm Best, Best and Krieger within the past 12 months.

This number is independent of what the Town spent on its bankruptcy experts.

Unlike former Town Attorney Peter Tracy, who was a Town employee, Morris’ firm is contracted and paid on an hourly basis.

“Everything is done on an hourly basis,” said Morris, “because that’s what the Town wanted to do. Going forward, [the cost of] legal services should come in lower because the bankruptcy is done.” Morris estimated the Town should expect to pay about $250,000 annually for legal services.

Note: Last year, BB and K billed $68,750.96 to the Town in bankruptcy work, according to Kirkner’s calculations (not a math major).

Tracy, by contrast, used to make approximately $165,000 annually plus benefits.

Morris said, however, that his is a larger firm that handles all manner of items which Tracy may have once contracted out elsewhere.

Morris says he personally spends about 40% of his time on Mammoth matters, though this percentage does not reflect the total time his firm spent on Mammoth.

BB and K’s basic rates, according to the contract it has with the Town, are $205/hour for attorneys and $130/hour for paralegals and clerks.

For “special legal services” the rates are $255 and $150 respectively.

For “complex legal services” $295 and $165

For bankruptcy, $450 or $470 depending upon the attorney.

Cost reimbursement for Morris’ travel = billing for one half of the roundtrip he makes from Truckee to attend Council meetings in Mammoth. The billing is for both time and mileage.

As an FYI, Morris also serves as Town Attorney for Truckee, Woodland and Jackson.

Truckee has him on a monthly retainer. The other communities, like Mammoth, compensate him on an hourly basis.

Mayor Matthew Lehman said of Morris, “We haven’t been using him nearly as much [recently] … I’m confortable with it [the contract]. I like the firm. And I like Andy. Unlike most lawyers, when you ask him a question, he gives you an answer.”

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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby MountainNut » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:31 pm

And there's this:

Bemused says:
November 17, 2012 at 8:47 am
Sounds like a “3 card monte” ploy by MMSA that leaves everybody in town except them paying for the airport after their financial commitment to the BID “sunsets” in 2 years.


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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby ride395 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:41 pm

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Postby ShiftyRider » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:15 pm

In places like Vail and Steamboat, local businesses helped subsidize air service. The businesses, not the government.

As soon as you see this article talking about increasing sales and lodging tax, it's no longer a business subsidy. It's a government subsidy. Very simple. That's why this sure looks like a scam to me.

If air service subsidies truly increase visitation, there is more revenue WITHOUT increasing any tax rate.
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Postby snowfiend » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:47 pm

ShiftyRider wrote:In places like Vail and Steamboat, local businesses helped subsidize air service. The businesses, not the government.

As soon as you see this article talking about increasing sales and lodging tax, it's no longer a business subsidy. It's a government subsidy. Very simple. That's why this sure looks like a scam to me.

If air service subsidies truly increase visitation, there is more revenue WITHOUT increasing any tax rate.

I don't think it's a scam. They are just trying everything and anything since the people running the city are at a loss and have NO idea what to do next. Since bring in high cost outside consultants didn't work??? so what next?? It can be called a hail mary or throwing in the kitchen sink... (when the real answer might be to get your house in order before you try to expand or help others.)
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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby SkierBob » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:04 pm

They are just trying everything and anything Rusty suggest since the people running the city are at a loss and have NO idea what to do next.

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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby TheSnowman » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:18 pm

"The voting on approval of a BID is based upon just those entities that are affected."

What a joke, it effects all of us in and out of town... guess I will just shop in Bishop.

Passing a tax with out the vote of the people is good way to become a hated person in any town USA.
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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby 2NAKLLR » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:04 pm

Yeah, didn't I read something somewhere about Americans being adverse to Taxation w/o Representation? Some archaic old document?
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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby ofset » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:35 pm

honestly, i dont know how this all relates, but have you guys seen the 10 pack flight deals they are offering for the season?

http://www.mammothmountain.com/Vacation ... /SnowPack/

not a bad deal actually. $66 each way is almost worth it.
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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby Photoho » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:55 pm

^^^ Wasn't it something like $ 78 round trip last year ?? Just my recollection
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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby ofset » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:04 pm

I do remember $78, but i dont think that was round trip. Thats less than $40 each way. Id never drive if that were the case. However $66 each way has me thinking.....
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Postby ShiftyRider » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:42 pm

List price is $75. Buy 9 Get 1 Free doesn't seem that good to me, YMMV.
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"This is not a scam" LOL

Postby ShiftyRider » Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:31 am

ofset wrote:honestly, i dont know how this all relates, but have you guys seen the 10 pack flight deals they are offering for the season?

http://www.mammothmountain.com/Vacation ... /SnowPack/

not a bad deal actually. $66 each way is almost worth it.

Re the expired link above, a Letter to the Editor wonders about a bait-and-switch scam...
The Sheet wrote:Was this the true purpose of this “Snow Pack” promotion: to lure customers in with inexpensive, but unavailable, flights and then try to get them to pay full price?
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Re: "This is not a scam for money for air service."

Postby M2M » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:47 pm

ofset wrote:I do remember $78, but i dont think that was round trip. Thats less than $40 each way. Id never drive if that were the case. However $66 each way has me thinking.....


would polly fly for free ? :rofl:
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